There are no shortages of conferences for Christian pastors. Instead of Death by Meeting, for me one day it will be death by a conference. I can see it now. It will happen at The Converge Confluence Church Multiplication (Next Gen) Missional Global Awareness Summit™ – Ed Stetzer will be speaking of course – and I will just keel over and die from conference overexposure.
Something about Verge was different – and I want to get it down before I forget. Because I easily forget.
1. Worship Gatherings Should Not Be Abandoned
This first thing is actually a running thought I had throughout the conference.
One of my fears is that young zealots will walk away from Verge and say, “I get it now. We’re going to totally scrap our public worship gathering,” or “Who needs preaching? It takes the already limited time I have away from community and mission.”
Maybe some failed to notice, but during Verge we were convicted, inspired, moved, and challenged… all through preaching and powerful corporate worship experiences.
I know that as a whole, we’re moving away from event and program-driven Christianity (good!) – but an “event” is an okay event in my book if at that event the gospel is proclaimed, God’s Spirit is present, and the sacraments are observed.
2. Francis Chan is Awesome But Not For the Reasons You Think
Yeah, Francis Chan blew us away.
Here’s what stuck out to me, though, more than any one thing he said: we saw this mega-church pastor get on his knees in front of us all and beg God, in tears, to show him how to do church.
You got this sense from him the entire weekend that the bigness of his church didn’t matter. His books didn’t matter. His reputation as a pastor didn’t matter. He acknowledged that he distrusted even his own motives for why he does what he does and that he wanted to be courageous enough to ask the question: does any of the stuff we think is so important in the evangelical world really matter in the end?
3. The Holy Spirit is Real
The best part of the weekend was a worship session on Saturday afternoon that never seemed to stop. It was time for the singing to be done and for all of us to move on to the next deal on the schedule – except that God had something else on His schedule.
Matt Carter got up and acknowledged that something was going on. Breakouts were going to start soon and that if people needed to go they could, but he opened the door for others to stick around if they felt so led. And we did. People just stood there. Or knelt. Or bowed.
And then one by one, people spontaneously started calling out to God. In a group of thousands, people started calling on the name of Jesus.
It’s hard to describe what happened, and I really don’t want to dishonor that moment by trying to make it seem more dramatic than it was. I’ll just say that for me it was an intense moment of sensing God’s hugeness and my own smallness and yet feeling accepted in that instead of alienated. It’s the first time I’ve seen something like that happen in a group that large since my charismatic revival days.
4. Mission & Community Are Hard
I was trying to explain to a friend unfamiliar with evangelical church jargon what a “Missional Community Conference” was about. I failed. It should’ve been simple because the conference was about mission and community (obviously).
Here’s why this conference sticks out: Verge was not just about mission and community, it was about being committed to those things until it gets painful.
Being committed to doing mission with a small band of people who know you well should and will be uncomfortable. It will cost me something. It will hurt.
But it’s worth it.
That’s what I’m leaving with. It showed up in the teaching, sure, but I got a fresh reminder in person.
During the weekend, I got to spend some time with Josh Wilson, a close friend and co-worker from The Journey that I hadn’t seen in months. Right now, since leaving one church and getting ready to plant another, my experience of community is somewhat sporadic at best.
Seeing Josh reminded me first of the depth of friendship I miss out on when I am away from community. Secondly, it reminded me that community is painful because it means letting people get close enough to call you on your garbage. I don’t like getting called on my garbage.
There’s a trend right now among evangelical pastors that plays on our natural fears and desire to manipulate. It says that if you’re a pastor, you can only let people get so close. If people get too close, then you loose some of your power. Clear lines of authority get cloudy. You loose organizational effectiveness in pursuit of relationship. It’s that much harder to hold someone accountable to job performance and becomes close to impossible to fire them, if God forbid, one day you’re forced to.
Who cares.
Letting people in close enough to see through your every motivation is stinking painful. But the alternative – living life alone, surrounded only by admirers and no real friends – is infinitely worse.
Tags: community, leadership

Great wrap up bro. Most blogs about Verge are mere notes of what was said. This captures more of the ethos of what occurred, and the cost of going forward.
Good to visit with you Friday evening. Praying for you in Memphis.
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Thanks Jacob. (I did plenty of mere “notes” post on the conference, too.)
Good to hang this weekend. Keep praying.
Thanks for taking the time to put all this up from Verge. Would loved to have been there…but your site and the live video was a blessing.
Hope to see you in March
Good report. Point one and point two were a bit contradictory–at this point in sorting all of this out,everything not in scripture has to be reconsidered and we must be willing to let go. How this will turn out for me maybe different than for you. There will always be a place for passionate,spirit breathed preaching but the format may or may not be a worship services. As for us, we had to detox from everything in order to be open enough for the spirit to begin to change us. God bless in your journey to follow the spirit and break free.
Darren – Would love to see you when I’m up that way.
Marti – thanks for weighing in. I think we can (lovingly) disagree here. I don’t see a commitment to incarnational, missional living as opposed to a gathering of God’s people for worship, teaching and observation of the sacraments.
We don’t have to have the pressure of wiping the slate clean and rethinking everything that has to do with church.
I sort of stand in the liturgical tradition (which most evangelicals have abandoned) and say that faithful men (not always but most often) have handed something good down to us over the past 1,900 years. I believe that church history should also a leg of interpretation – especially when it comes to ecclessiology. We don’t blindly accept every piece – but we should know why it was there in the first place before we abandon a form completely.
“Letting people in close enough to see through your every motivation is stinking painful. But the alternative – living life alone, surrounded only by admirers and no real friends – is infinitely worse.” It’s so freeing! That’s so right. Seminary was a great time for me for many reasons, but I received the message (if not directly [which did happen] – implied) that the “pastor” is above the people and that you can’t let people get too close. If I actually thought about it, I would have had to ask my professor the question: “In other words, we’re better than Jesus?”
Jonathan,
It was good to say hello (if only for a moment on our and your way out of town) on Sunday in Austin. Loved the emphasis at the Verge on everyday (messy) lives with Gospel intentionality, of equipping and sending out our people to be everyday missionaries, and that it isn’t “rocket surgery” as Alan Hirsch described.
Embrace the ordinary, not just the extraordinary. In that way it was unlike any “pastors” conference I’ve seen, and in fact not really aimed at helping pastors fulfill their calling outside of making disciples in community, with the Gospel and God’s Mission — as we embrace Communitas > community. It’s hard, and it’s worth it.
Hope I’ll be able to someday live-stream the The Converge Confluence Church Multiplication (Next Gen) Missional Global Awareness Summit™ :-/
All the best as you plant Christ City Church — great vision video, BTW.
Praying,
JP (@deTheos)
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